Thursday, April 5, 2012

How does one know?

Gosh I'm struggling right now. Maybe it's all in vain, I don't know. All the really important decisions in my life, I've really felt the Lord guiding me. Serving a mission. Marrying Matt. Having children. Moving to VA. Changing career paths. Moving to a bigger house.

I always knew I wanted a lot of kids. As a little girl, I was always drawing pictures of my future house, my future husband, a page FULL of kids, and of course dogs and cats. Maybe even had a few gerbils in the picture. Today, I hate pets.

7.

I always wanted 7. Why 7? I don't know.

When I was pregnant with #7, I remember thinking, "now I'm gonna get all fat again, but that's OK. It's my last."

Then I miscarried.

And I had a distinct feeling that the 6 children I had were literal gifts from God. He ALLOWED me to have them. And He didn't allow me my 7th. And it was His decision. And worrying about getting "fat" was about as shallow as a puddle.

And I suddenly felt like if it were the Lord's will that I had more than 7, then I was perfectly fine with it.

But then I read that the Duggar lady had the same experience. She miscarried her first, and felt, "We'll have as many as the Lord sends us." She has 19 kids.

There's got to be a reasonable stopping point, ya know?

After giving birth to our 7th, both Matt and I felt so strongly the Lord's hand and the sense that, "Everything will be OK." And we felt that if the Lord wanted to send more, we'd be honored.

Anyways, the thing is, I feel like, when we're all together, that "someone is missing" feeling. Matt says it's the dog I won't allow (permanently) into the house. Whatever. I've felt that from the very beginning. My question is, does that feeling ever go away?

I've had this discussion with a handful of people, my sister included. Many of my friends absolutely love babies, would have more. But for one reason or another, KNOW they are done. I don't KNOW that I'm done.

And I think I have every right to KNOW. It's an extremely important decision.

Is there one or even two up in Heaven, wanting to join our family? Is "Feeling" like the family's not complete a legitimate feeling? Do I want more because "more is better?" (I don't agree with this, but you get the scartastic undertone.) I've been perfectly healthy physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually thus far, would having more severely compromise this?

Personally, I KNOW I'm cut out to handle a large family. I don't stress over little things, boogars on my sleeve don't ruffle my feathers, I love seeing the kids behave as I did as a little kid, enjoying life as I did. I multi-task with the best of them, I laugh a lot. Matt's a great husband and an even greater father. We're on the road to a financial lifestyle that would support a large family. Probably couldn't take the family to Germany anytime soon, but they do get Hanes socks.

We've prayed about this, discussed the issue together. Matt would like to be done. I would like to be done. But then we ask ourselves, "do we want to be done for selfish reasons?" And who knows, maybe my eggs are all dried up and there's nothing but an echo in my fallopian tubes, so this could be a waste of time issue, who knows.

So my question is really to all you mothers of 6, 7, 8, 10, 12 kids. When you finished, how did you know? And I'm not really wanting to ask this to moms who hate being moms, but have kids left and right anyway. Because I won't agree with whatever your reason is. I'm really more concerned with asking moms who absolutely love being a mom, have defeated cry-outs at times, keep an orderly (not OCD Martha Stewart clean) house, can say no to requests of service because you know your limits, have regreted yelling the way you did the other day, and eat pizza from Ceasers every once in a while.

I'm interested in hearing from the regular mom with lots of kids. How did you know to stop or make the decision to have the number of kids you do have?

13 comments:

  1. I am at the same spot as you. Currently at 7 going for number 8. I keep saying I am done but I know in my heart that there is more and I too would like to know when, how do you know, when your done. After each one of my kids I always felt that there is more my heart was still missing pieces, don't get me wrong I love each one of my children but I feel like there is more love for me to give to another child. I wish sometimes Heavenly Father would sometimes just give me a number. lol. I like to think that there will be some kind of sign that will let me know when we are done.

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  2. Are you addicted to children? I can stage an intervention. (for all you not Erika reading this, cuz I know she knows I'm kidding) No for reals the Lord sends babies to people who have sex with working parts so he will keep sending you babies as long as your parts works, you have to make your decisision, He will only guide and comfort you in whatever decision you make. I'm mean it can sound selfish to say you don't want more children because you want to start the phase of you life that includes Disney World, who could chose Disney over a child? At same time, being able to do those things with your children whilst they are young is an expirence you'll treasure for a life time. I do know the decision is yours to make, God typically is not going to change the science of pro-creating. I mean I feel like I could be a mommy to more girls but I'm still done and if Brighton has babies the same age as me... I'm only 11 years away from babies again. Although I hope it's more like 15 years away! Btw I'm typing this on my iPod so good luck understanding any of it.

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    1. Do we still have working parts? Can we use them again? The 4 times were a lot of fun. Let's go on that ride again! Love you.

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  3. When Missy said were done, that's how I knew it.

    J.Ferguson

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  4. ok, so I know I "only" have 2, but we had always talked about having 3 before we had kids. I had Colleen, than when she was a year I miscarried at 6 weeks, than conceived Brighit a month later. Ever since we've had Brighit we've known we are done. Part of it is for selfish reasons, part is just "feeling" done. Can't explain it, maybe Brighit is our "3rd" and so that's why we are done.

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  5. Our 4th was just born 20 days ago and we knew from the beginning that he would be our last. That's not to say that the decision to make him our last one wasn't an emotional one, even up until just a couple of days before he was born. I think that for us women, the ability to sustain life within our womb is an incredible gift given to us by the Lord and that it is also a very emotional thing. When you know that the child you're carrying is the last one, it really changes your perspective on things.

    How did we know that we were done? I don't know... we just knew. Oh, we both love kids more than anything and would have a house full to the ceiling with them if we could! But we knew that 4 was the number for us; it was what we'd always talked about and dreamed about. We wanted two girls and two boys, and that is exactly what God gave us.

    I look at my kids every day and am so very thankful for them. They bring me a lot of joy, and I wouldn't trade any of them for anything in the world. Sure, I have my moments where I'm so utterly frustrated with them that I could scream, or if I step on one more Lego or one more Barbie shoe they'll all be thrown in the garbage...but you know what? I can honestly say that those things don't matter that much. What does matter is that my kids will grow up loving the Lord and will be respectful, honest, caring people.

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  6. This is a father's perspective. I was done before #1. Of course, not really, but my fiance and I talked numerous times before we were married about waiting a year or two and then having kids. Well, wouldn't you know it, the next morning after we were married, my wife says, what do you think about having kids sooner? I put her off for 11 months. 9 months later, we had our oldest. She is our angel with special needs, is non verbal, sits in a wheelchair, can't do anything for herself besides emote. However, had I put her off for even another month, Becca would have had so many more disabilities, and might not of even lived. (Her disabilities are due to a virus my wife had while pregnant that attacks the brain)

    Having #2 after that was a struggle, decision wise. #3 was even harder. 1,2,3 are all girls 2 years apart. Then we waited 3 years, and two boys came along two years apart. Of course we could have more. But we both feel we are done. A lot like @Brightons Mom said, if the parts work, the scientific process can happen. It is neither selfish nor unreasonable to say, I am finished. The Lord knows your reasons, probably better than you do, and in our case, our reasons are in part due to our health -- eventually. As my oldest gets bigger (she's 12 and weighs close to 60 pounds) it gets harder and harder to move her, and causes more and more strain on our backs, arms and legs. We will be empty nesters (besides Becca, depending on how long she lives) when we are 54 and 53 respectively, and look forward to spending time together as a couple, visiting grandchildren, traveling, serving a mission together etc. These are all choices we made, none are -- lets just see what happens. Heavenly Father blessed us with exactly the right family for us. Three beautiful girls, and two boys.

    That being said, the decision is up to you, but realize, it IS a decision. The Lord wants nothing more than to bless you and your family, and sometimes that blessing is to be done, other times he wishes to bless your children by providing a sibling. You do have a right to know. But you need to decide, then pray for the confirmation of that decision.

    Hope that helps.

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  7. I'm the under achiever with only 4, but I'm commenting anyway.

    I knew because my last baby was so awful. hahahaha SERIOUSLY!!! She's totally fine now, and we really love her, but it was most definitely a sign. Non-stop crying for 2 years wore my nerves raw and I have not had the urge since. I never felt that way until after her.

    She's wonderful now though, but Scott and I still feel the same. We did of course pray about it, more Scott than me though. I knew, but he needed to be convinced! I had no "stupor of thought"!!! Also, my bladder was screaming for me to stop.

    On a side note, since then, we've faced some pretty difficult situations with one of our older kids and I know we did the right thing. He needed our full attention and focus over the last few years. That's just our situation though, thankfully not everyone's teen will have the same issues. I'm so glad the Lord's answer for me was clear, because you're right, this is a really hard decision.

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  8. You don't want opinions from people that have less than 7 kids? Too bad, I'm giving it anyways. I have opinions from a couple different angles. First, my own...I am a little jealous that you have so many kids. I started wanting 8, but after the first, 6 sounded so much better. And it pretty much stuck at six. I had 4 kids, and 3 miscarriages. After the 4th baby, we had some painful personal struggles, and surviving and getting through those struggles made me put having more kids on the back burner. Yet I had always been told in blessings "there are more to come, it's just not time yet...don't waste your time with the ones you have now worrying about what's ahead." Well, almost 8 years later, still haven't felt like it was time for more, even though I've wanted it to be time. It may not come in this life. But I am loving what I have, and so grateful every day that I have the ones I do.

    2nd angle is that from my brother-4th in line. As you know, there are 10 original kids...with 2 "half" siblings, and 3 stepsisters. Growing up with 10 kids, he always felt like he didn't get very much individual attention and he feels some sadness over that even now (he claims he doesn't, but why would he still talk about it, hahaha). Not that he was purposefully neglected, but just logistics will dictate that it is nearly impossible to be there for every single thing your kids are in when there are that many kids. When he married he decided he never wanted his kids to feel that way, so they had 4, and they are completely happy with that.

    Another thing to consider is that life actually gets a little more complicated when they get older. I thought it was draining to have little kids, toys everywhere, diapers, in & out of carseats, and on and on. I kind of miss that now. Things were busy, but simple. Now I have 1 teenager and 1 almost teenager (it's not my 12-year-old boy, it's my 10-year-old Annie who acts like a teenager already), and sometimes I am so beat at the end of the day (may be old age though), and my house is still a wreck. Only it's more frustrating when they are old enough to pick up after themselves, but just haven't gotten around to it.

    Also, that feeling that someone is missing, I know for some people that never goes away. My oldest sister, who is 52, has 8 kids, and she said that she still feels like someone is missing sometimes. Maybe we will never feel totally complete until the next life.

    And now that I am done rambling, and not helping, or making much sense....that someone that is missing in your family is ME! Your kids are lucky to have you, whatever number that turns out to be!

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  9. k...
    I know that we are on the phone for 20 hours talking about this yet i want to get on my soap box and give my 2 cents on this question...

    First: I have to say I agree with so much of what Missy Sarah and Renee has said but I'll just word it in my way. And don't be mad it's just my 2 cents. and other people out there don't judge...


    Okay... I feel like it's everyone's PERSONal choice on how many kids they want to have. However I can't help myself but judge them when they have a ton of kids and they are all nappy and crazy. And eating everyone's food at church parties. I think if you want to go for your 9 then you have to NOT forget about your other kids and know that you will have to have the stamina and energy when they are older and going thru their teenage years. I just keep thinking it's not how many you can birth it's how many you can raise and teach... and not get lost in the shuffle. I also want to do the fun things with my kids. I want to have enough money to go on fun trips... do fun things... celebrate them... yet like we have talked about this before Im not sure if I am going to end up raising ungrateful... full of high expectation bratty kids. I don't know. I think most of all your answer has to be LOGICAL but accompanied by the Holy Ghost confirming your logic. And that's it...

    However... if he has a different plan... he TRUMPS it all.


    -some can have 10 kids and they rock it. all feel loved for and happy.

    -Some have 2 and they hate being parents... kids have baggage. they don't feel loved and they are miserable.

    Everyone has their number... and so important to know your number before you crack.

    BUT for ME... and MIKE.... and our FAMILY. we like five cuz we can still drive an SUV and can still go to disney land under the "family plan" jk.

    anyways. good luck with your choice. in all honesty i don't know why your making me get on my soap box. We all know your going to have another "baby!"

    oh and I do think some women always have the "baby hungry" feeling. You just got to make sure your not the crazy lady :)

    LOVE YOU! AND WILL SUPPORT YOU WITH WHAT YOU CHOOSE. CUZ I KNOW MAMMA DOESN'T LIKE BEING WRONG :)

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    1. ha Heather I've said the same thing...she is totally gonna have another baby, just like she got 5 dogs, and got rid of all them...good thing she loves her kids! lol I agree with Heather, I will love your next squishy squashy and you and help you with whatever you need!

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  10. oh and ps.

    i think it would be cute to have a little girl sitting in the sand next to Riley wearing a cute white dress and a cute white beach hat... in your family picture... but that's just my crazy talking.

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  11. Don't forget the obnoxiously large round lollipop in her hand...

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